My take on Said's writing is that exile cannot exist without a feeling of nationalism. Nationalist feelings are what bond groups of people together and form a nation. In order to feel like one is in exile, they need to feel none of the same sentiments as the nationalists they are different from. He also goes on to mention an interesting idea that a group of exiled people can join together based on similar feelings and in a sense be exiled no more. So really exile is a relative state of view, but without feelings of nationalism no one would feel together, and no one could feel outcasted.
The term nationalism is loosely defined as "a strong identification of a group of individuals with a political entity defined in national terms." Being exiled from one's land is in one sense a loss of nationalism, as one is forced to flee from their beloved home land. Said points this out in his discussion of people's accounts of being exiled and their feeling of loss, which contribute to greater feelings of nationhood and pride for ones country. People who leave their country due to war, famine, or from being ostracized can also form a new form of nationalism; joining together to create a nationalistic exile movement, bonding with others who have been exiled.
Said establishes the view that Nationalism must exist in order for someone to be exiled. There must be commanalities(and pride in those common interests) between people in order for one or more individuals to be shunned. The negative views of Immigrants has a seemingly positive correlation to the increase of Nationalism. In simpler terms in times of great Patriotism/Nationalism in America, the more likely Immigrants will be looked at with less tolerance. This has been shown through out history many times. Immigrants become unhappy minorities because the strengthening of nationalistic ideologies makes it harder for them to try and assimilate without individuals constantly trying to resist and exile them.
Nationalism and exile cannot exist without reference to each other because nationalism causes exile and sometimes exile causes nationalism. Nationalism is a sense of pride and unification that brings people together with similar feelings, beliefs and/or culture. All these feelings begin with estrangement from other groups and causes exile. Nationalism occurs after exile sometimes when a group of people are exiled, then a unification of those people is formed based on similar beliefs and ways of life. If there was no feeling of nationalism in the world, then exiles would not take place.
Nationalism is defined by Said as “an assertion of belonging in and to a place, a people, a heritage.” To experience nationalism, one must have an attachment to the place they consider home. Said explains that exile occurs when there is an “unhealable rift forced between a human being and a native place, between the self and its true home.” This implies a loss of a sense of belonging. In order to be exiled, one must have a sense of belonging to a place. Nationalism is that sense of belonging. Without nationalism, exile could not exist. Said also states that, “all nationalisms develop from a condition of estrangement.” This statement reflects the concept that exile creates nationalism.Said is saying that nationalism and exile interdependent on each other.
Jason LaManna- What I feel Said meant by this statement was that they seem like opposites, but go hand and hand. A person who is exiled has a hard time feeling a strong sense of nationalism towards their home country. Yet that person who is exiled can only be exiled if they have experienced nationalism in the past towards that country they were exiled from. Other wise they are not feeling the true sense of being "exiled" and are under another category that was mentioned, possibly an emigre, reffugee, etc. Exile cannot exist without nationalism.
According to Said, the nature of exile is "the unhealable rift forced between a human being and a native place, between the self and its true home: its essential sadness can never be surmounted. Said insists on the fact that nationalism and exile cannot be discussed without reference to each other, considering the fact that nationalism is often borne out of feelings of exile. You cant be exiled without the feeling of nationalism. Therefore, exile doesn't exist without feeling a sense of nationalism.
When Said talks about exile, he does not refer to the general idea of being forced out one’s country. Instead he refers to the rude disruption of a person’s lifestyle, a the lack of cultural identity, and the social isolation that people have due to the the other two. With this, exile becomes a broader description of the reason for which nationalism is driven in the first place. If one looks at post WWI Germany, you rise of the Nazi party and be seen from feelings of exile. Germans felt anger and despair at the notion that their country was no longer the powerful entity that it once was, and thus felt a reason to support their country with zealousness so that it would rise again.
In simple terms. Exile is losing a sense of your identity and place, whilst nationalism is the feeling that you reclaim those feelings through action.
What Said meant by this was that nationalism is a prerequisite to exile; this is not a reciprocal existence. For one to be exiled, he must first be part of a strongly formed group. Such a group implies nationalism, regardless of the size or strength of the nation. Without any defined group, one may not be exiled, but is merely detached in the same way that everyone else is. It is the Group that creates the power to hurt and to exile and to alienate. Without nationalism, exile can not exist.
Nationalism is representative of a feeling of belonging to a certain group based on a variety of commonalities. Exile is a way to cast out a person or persons from a group based on disapproval of their ideas or actions. The common link between these two ideas is that of group mentality. Without a social structure, the concepts of nationalism and exile cannot exist.
Nationalism is defined by Said as belonging in and to a place, people, and a heritage. When a person is exiled, it is because of these feelings that they had for their country or people that they feel so abandoned. Without that feeling from the start,the person is simply being removed from a place without a strong emotional attachment. Even a group of people who have been exiled can develop feelings of nationalism for their new surrounding area and people. This is why both nationalism and exile must co-exist.
his writing shows that exile cannot exist without emotion of nationalism. nationalist people have same feeling which joins them as one. people who exiled have same emotions and went through the same situations. so their emotions toward a country is more stronger than other. one could disagree with me but i think nationalist and exile can co-exist.
In Said's writing, he suggests that all nationalism have founding fathers, their basic, quasi-religious texts, their rhetoric of belonging, their historical and geographical landmarks, their official enemies and heroes. These nationalist sentiments can come from the concept of exile very strongly, because being away from their own nation drives people to remind themselves to remember what they have left behind. People do this because they want to remember and to pass their nationalism to the next generation. This process is very emotional and private, but strong, like Said suggested. So we can say that nationalsm and exile co-exited.
Said wrote that "Nationalisms are about groups but in a very acute sense exile is a solitude experience outside the group: the deprivations felt at not being with others in the communal habitations". In a way this is saying there can't be good without having a bad in comparison. Nationalism binds people together under a commonality of a nation. By setting a defined "border" amongst people, saying who is part of a group and who isn't, this causes exile. Viewing from the exiled point of view, those who are exiled have a chance to start nationalism all over again by finding a culture that they want to follow or in an even broader sense "start their own group" to bring about nationalism. This may seem unlikely but either way, with nationalism there comes exile.
My take on Said's writing is that exile cannot exist without a feeling of nationalism. Nationalist feelings are what bond groups of people together and form a nation. In order to feel like one is in exile, they need to feel none of the same sentiments as the nationalists they are different from. He also goes on to mention an interesting idea that a group of exiled people can join together based on similar feelings and in a sense be exiled no more. So really exile is a relative state of view, but without feelings of nationalism no one would feel together, and no one could feel outcasted.
ReplyDeleteThe term nationalism is loosely defined as "a strong identification of a group of individuals with a political entity defined in national terms." Being exiled from one's land is in one sense a loss of nationalism, as one is forced to flee from their beloved home land. Said points this out in his discussion of people's accounts of being exiled and their feeling of loss, which contribute to greater feelings of nationhood and pride for ones country. People who leave their country due to war, famine, or from being ostracized can also form a new form of nationalism; joining together to create a nationalistic exile movement, bonding with others who have been exiled.
ReplyDeleteSaid establishes the view that Nationalism must exist in order for someone to be exiled. There must be commanalities(and pride in those common interests) between people in order for one or more individuals to be shunned. The negative views of Immigrants has a seemingly positive correlation to the increase of Nationalism. In simpler terms in times of great Patriotism/Nationalism in America, the more likely Immigrants will be looked at with less tolerance. This has been shown through out history many times. Immigrants become unhappy minorities because the strengthening of nationalistic ideologies makes it harder for them to try and assimilate without individuals constantly trying to resist and exile them.
ReplyDeleteNationalism and exile cannot exist without reference to each other because nationalism causes exile and sometimes exile causes nationalism. Nationalism is a sense of pride and unification that brings people together with similar feelings, beliefs and/or culture. All these feelings begin with estrangement from other groups and causes exile. Nationalism occurs after exile sometimes when a group of people are exiled, then a unification of those people is formed based on similar beliefs and ways of life. If there was no feeling of nationalism in the world, then exiles would not take place.
ReplyDeleteNationalism is defined by Said as “an assertion of belonging in and to a place, a people, a heritage.” To experience nationalism, one must have an attachment to the place they consider home. Said explains that exile occurs when there is an “unhealable rift forced between a human being and a native place, between the self and its true home.” This implies a loss of a sense of belonging. In order to be exiled, one must have a sense of belonging to a place. Nationalism is that sense of belonging. Without nationalism, exile could not exist. Said also states that, “all nationalisms develop from a condition of estrangement.” This statement reflects the concept that exile creates nationalism.Said is saying that nationalism and exile interdependent on each other.
ReplyDeleteJason LaManna- What I feel Said meant by this statement was that they seem like opposites, but go hand and hand. A person who is exiled has a hard time feeling a strong sense of nationalism towards their home country. Yet that person who is exiled can only be exiled if they have experienced nationalism in the past towards that country they were exiled from. Other wise they are not feeling the true sense of being "exiled" and are under another category that was mentioned, possibly an emigre, reffugee, etc. Exile cannot exist without nationalism.
ReplyDeleteAccording to Said, the nature of exile is "the unhealable rift forced between a human being and a native place, between the self and its true home: its essential sadness can never be surmounted. Said insists on the fact that nationalism and exile cannot be discussed without reference to each other, considering the fact that nationalism is often borne out of feelings of exile. You cant be exiled without the feeling of nationalism. Therefore, exile doesn't exist without feeling a sense of nationalism.
ReplyDeleteWhen Said talks about exile, he does not refer to the general idea of being
ReplyDeleteforced out one’s country. Instead he refers to the rude disruption of a person’s lifestyle, a the lack of cultural identity, and the social isolation that people have due to the the other two. With this, exile becomes a broader description of the reason for which nationalism is driven in the first place.
If one looks at post WWI Germany, you rise of the Nazi party and be seen from feelings of exile. Germans felt anger and despair at the notion that their country was no longer the powerful entity that it once was, and thus felt a
reason to support their country with zealousness so that it would rise again.
In simple terms. Exile is losing a sense of your identity and place,
whilst nationalism is the feeling that you reclaim those feelings through action.
What Said meant by this was that nationalism is a prerequisite to exile; this is not a reciprocal existence. For one to be exiled, he must first be part of a strongly formed group. Such a group implies nationalism, regardless of the size or strength of the nation. Without any defined group, one may not be exiled, but is merely detached in the same way that everyone else is. It is the Group that creates the power to hurt and to exile and to alienate. Without nationalism, exile can not exist.
ReplyDeleteNationalism is representative of a feeling of belonging to a certain group based on a variety of commonalities. Exile is a way to cast out a person or persons from a group based on disapproval of their ideas or actions. The common link between these two ideas is that of group mentality. Without a social structure, the concepts of nationalism and exile cannot exist.
ReplyDeleteNationalism is defined by Said as belonging in and to a place, people, and a heritage. When a person is exiled, it is because of these feelings that they had for their country or people that they feel so abandoned. Without that feeling from the start,the person is simply being removed from a place without a strong emotional attachment. Even a group of people who have been exiled can develop feelings of nationalism for their new surrounding area and people. This is why both nationalism and exile must co-exist.
ReplyDeletehis writing shows that exile cannot exist without emotion of nationalism. nationalist people have same feeling which joins them as one. people who exiled have same emotions and went through the same situations. so their emotions toward a country is more stronger than other. one could disagree with me but i think nationalist and exile can co-exist.
ReplyDeleteIn Said's writing, he suggests that all nationalism have founding fathers, their basic, quasi-religious texts, their rhetoric of belonging, their historical and geographical landmarks, their official enemies and heroes. These nationalist sentiments can come from the concept of exile very strongly, because being away from their own nation drives people to remind themselves to remember what they have left behind. People do this because they want to remember and to pass their nationalism to the next generation. This process is very emotional and private, but strong, like Said suggested. So we can say that nationalsm and exile co-exited.
ReplyDeleteSaid wrote that "Nationalisms are about groups but in a very acute sense exile is a solitude experience outside the group: the deprivations felt at not being with others in the communal habitations". In a way this is saying there can't be good without having a bad in comparison. Nationalism binds people together under a commonality of a nation. By setting a defined "border" amongst people, saying who is part of a group and who isn't, this causes exile. Viewing from the exiled point of view, those who are exiled have a chance to start nationalism all over again by finding a culture that they want to follow or in an even broader sense "start their own group" to bring about nationalism. This may seem unlikely but either way, with nationalism there comes exile.
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